Technology advances

topic posted Sun, July 10, 2005 - 5:37 PM by  JR
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I am not going to complain that ham radio is turning into appliance operators, we need them as well as we need the workers, the dabblers, the vhf onlys, the hf onlys, the---- onlys. You see everyone can have a spot in ham radio. My question (s) like more into the can and cannot departments. We seem to have a lot of cannots.. everyone knows someone in that field. I cannot learn this, I cannot fix this, I cannot --put your own here.
Folks and fellow hams. We cannot put a man on the moon. (Sorry Wayne, I believe we have) and yet because of technology we did. Hams were in the developement of radio before most people could spell it. I went to electronics school in Memphis, Tenn. On the wall was a small notice. "in this building there is no such word as can't or always!"
Have all the experimentation died? I notice even in QST there might be one or two articles to build, CQ mag about the same. I know they have to have the article first but what about the ideas for projects. I saw a newsletter fro qrp and there were a half dozen projects.. yes of course it was cw but who says it has to be.. My radio. IC736 is unable to remove a powerline noise for me, I have no expertise in noise projects but I bet there is someone out there that has and perhaps built a small, simiple answer. When I had my Swan 350, I built a noise clipper for it. got it from the pages of 73 mag, it worked great, just two resistiors, two diodes and a 9 volt battery.. it worked clipping the magnitude of the audio signals.. no more crashing in my earphones. Not very technical you say, perhaps but for me it was a super answer and a great projects. I built my first PSK interface, it was a blast, now I use a Rascal from Buck Rogers. But Because of someone else I built it. A friend made a code key from a putty knife,,works..
Now I am asking, is there more articles out there that could be published for building.. Have you built something that works for you? Can you make a box that will move my audio from one ear to the other as a time delay, I think my brain will sort out the noise and elimate it.
Don't like morse code, how about another way to communicate. Is there a magnitic shift of energy that can be used.. I don't know, All I want to make in a point, stop complaining about cannot and lets try can do.
A lot of good knowledge is dying off every year, its time for harvest my fellow hams. Throw me a tidbit, even if it is for someting I don't use right now. JR.
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  • Re: Technology advances

    Mon, July 11, 2005 - 6:37 AM
    Well, let me say this.

    The technology marches on, and not all of the advances come from corporate R&D departments.

    Consider th G4GUO protocol. Charles Brain (G4GUO) developed, along with a digital voice mode for use on HF. It uses a set of 36 carriers spaced (IIRC) 50 Hz apart, using QPSK to modulate each at 50 baud, 2 bits per symbol, giving an aggregate throughput of 3600 b/s. 1200b/s of this is used for FEC, the other 2400 for actual data, which is encoded using the AMBE codec. The result is slightly mechanical, but otherwise rich, clean-sounding digital audio on HF. As with PSK, a transceiver set to USB is used, basically causing the transceiver to function as a very narrow-banded transverter. Google for his callsign to find it.

    PSK itself is also a good example. There is no secret about how it works, and there are basically four levels of users therein: (1) those who buy an interface to connect their radio to their computer, load the software and go (these are your appliance operators), (2) those who build an interface to connect their radio to their computer, load the software and go, (3) those who build the interface to connect the computer to the radio and then implement the PSK protocol themselves in their own code and (4) those who use the computer as a terminal to access PSK through some sort of homebrewed modem. (There may be some variations on each of these levels, but you get the idea).

    Incidentally, an idea was expressed to me by one of my professors in college. He said, "In a perfect world, hardware and software are logically equivalent." Of course, this falls down at a certain point (can't run software without hardware or vice-versa) but has a certain validity, also (most tasks can be implemented either way). As such, there is much to be said, especially where digital modes are involved, for software development leading to innovations. As computers and programming languages become increasingly powerful with time, I think you will find them leading to new modes at an alarming rate.

    An interesting thing here is the GNU radio project. These folks are using DSP boards with 20MHz wide D/A and A/D convers on them, and implementing AM, FM, SSB, etc. in software. With an appropriate transverter, they were able to create an FM tuner program that would (as a proof of concept) tune two separate radio stations from the FM dial simultaneously on one set of hardware. How many channels would *you* like to watch, without the lage that occurrs from conventional scanning? How about *instant* changeover to your priority frequency?

    Let me close wth an analogy.

    My father in law is very fond of pointing out businesses that have forgotten what their business is. He points to the railroads and says that they think they are in the train business and have forgotten that they are in the transportation business (that goes double for Amtrak).

    I think that we, as hams, need to remember that we are in the communications hobby, not the radio hobby. That we develop an affinity for radio in particular is fine, but I think (and this is likely to be controversial, but so be it) that we need to include the many computer enthusiasts who have revolutionized communications amongst our own. They're among us, and we are among them; they are us, and we are them. Want proof? Just look at the fun that computer enthusiasts are having with directional antennas to extend their 802.11 range, and the fun that computer/ham hobbyists are having with new digital protocols. We are all one.
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      Re: Technology advances

      Sun, July 17, 2005 - 10:22 AM
      You're right, and I thank you for the information about G4GUE
      I think electronics and communications especially is like the person in the woods,, does he travel through the forest, or, through the trees to get to the other side. Sosme people cannot see the forest because of the trees, some cannot see the trees because they are the forest. We all know both sets. My point should have been that innovation in communications and electronics depends upon which you see as important. One does not stand alone as they depend upon each other. Even the lowly megaphone needed someone with a clear voice. Who knows what the IC 7800 will be like in 10 years..or even 5. I just hope that those that see trees can pass on that knowledge to the rest of us. I hate to admit it, but I am seeing the forest once in a while.. sigh, getting older I think.
      I also had a professor say a profound thing, "times up" when he really meant that the period for the test is over..
      802.11 is just a start for computers.. Wow. I can't even start to keep up with the different communications methods.. Echolink anyone?
      • Re: Technology advances

        Mon, July 18, 2005 - 6:11 AM
        Well, let's see....

        Within the realm of manipulable digital technologies, we have....

        Three different ham radio VOIP protocols: Echolink, IRLP, eQSO.

        Several text modes: PSK31, MFSK16, data over G4GUO, etc. Technically, CW belongs in this category, too.

        Data modes: The classic AX.25, Pactor, Amtor. I also know that the Tucson Area Packet Radio group has some innovations here, plus there is HSMM (the 802.11 mod I was talking about before).

        All of this stuff exists because some homebrewer sat down and figured it out. Sometimes it was built on existing technology, sometimes from scratch. Sometimes it's only a minor tweak from the existing consumer technology, sometimes a complete rework. It's still homebrewing, even if it is just computer code.
  • Re: Technology advances

    Mon, July 11, 2005 - 8:52 AM
    I think some of the differences you're trying to point out here come from a shift from being able to manipulate technologies.

    Let's look at one of the most popular HF rigs of the past, oh, 40 years--the Heathkit HW-101. They sold thousands upon thousands. All tube (er, excuse me, thermally generated field effect transistors in a sealed glass envelope), point to point wiring, two, maybe three weekends and you were on the air.

    Let's look at the latest generation, exemplified by, say, an IC-7800, which has DSP up and out the wazoo and outperforms anything I've ever had my hands on. Not even close.

    Even your IC736 probably makes extensive use of surface mount technologies, and exotic (compared to back then) microprocessors and dedicated semiconductors designed expressly for these uses. We've come a long way from the days of 807's, my friends?

    So is homebrewing dead? Not completely (witness the K2's), but home rolling something from scratch that will compete with what you can find at your local 1-800 emporium.

    The innovation among us for ham radio will be not in designing new hardware technology, but in manipulating it; tools like PSK, etc, which allow us to use these technologies in new and exciting ways.

    In the end, though, ham radio boils down to this: You have someone with a box full of various components and a piece of wire who is able to communicate with someone else who has another box full of parts and another piece of wire. Do we focus on the boxes, the wires, or the communication?
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      Re: Technology advances

      Sun, August 7, 2005 - 7:30 AM
      Warren, you're right, But to add,, those that are new to ham radio and wouldlike t build, there are not an abundance of easy to build projects. Of course the ones of days gone by were easy and not as complicated as todays might have to be, but until you flipped the switch on, you never knew if it worked or what it was. I remember the joy when my HW-8 was turned on the first time.. noise. yup it was great, but the alignment took a while, but I did it. then built a couple of altering things for the radio.. I even recieve sideband on it now. but another story.
      To say the inventions are all made and we only imporve or use the ones we have,, I really don't think so. There are many things to be built out here,, you just have to pry them out of some ones thinking..
      I think you bring up a problem we all face as hams.. The box of parts, the wires to connect or the communications. H'mm, I've had to get rid of all my junk boxes, most of the wires,, but still love to communicate, but I still look fondly at them boxex of goodies at every hamfest. Hey I even built a Spritemite qrp in an Altoid tin.. made a contact with it., hardest contact I've ever made. But fun.. I do know about all the other ways to communicate, all the other modes and have used some of them. Didn't I read somewhere of someone that took a transmitter out of a microwave oven to use ,,my wife say to forget it,, she's a ham too but uses the oven to cook.. Just a thought..
      Warren, this is much too long but is is fun to post. another ham-computer related project.. later, JR.

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